the sweet ride 21", is a rare cymbal in my opinion, is very bright, but yet has an almost dark crash, you can crash it really hard, and then go back to hitting gently on top, and it will sound like two different cymbals, like a ride and a crash, since i started using sweet ride (since 8 years), i don't have a crash cymbal anymore, perfect cymbal, for loud strong drummer, and quite and soft drummers as well.